One of the things that is implicit in Boehringer's analysis, but not (yet) stated overtly (perhaps because she assumes her readers are aware of it?), is that there is a major shift in the development of "gender categories" between the earlier Greek evidence and the Roman evidence. Under Greek pederasty, the erastes and eromenos took on categorically different roles in the relationship, but they were not viewed as inhabiting distinct life-long identity categories.
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Lesbian Historic Motif Podcast - Episode 217 - On the Shelf for December 2021 - Transcript
(Originally aired 2021/12/05 - listen here)
Welcome to On the Shelf for December 2021.
Lesbian Historic Motif Podcast - Episode 218 – Abstract by Kat Sinor - transcript
(Originally aired 2021/12/18 - listen here)
The story of Iphis and Ianthe is full of contradictions, manipulations, and ambiguities. I think Boehringer makes a key point (although it may get lost in the details) that what makes female same-sex love "impossible" for Ovid is the essential structural understanding of sex in Roman society: that it must involve a hierarchical relationship and must involve at least one man.
One of the things Boehringer points out in the earlier discussion of the Callisto myth (in the Greek chapters) is that pre-Ovid sources tend to include only fragments of the story. Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that one of Ovid's goals was to create "definitive" versions of the myths he includes (as well as combining them into a connected and unified whole).
Lesbian Historic Motif Podcast - Episode 216 – How to be a Lesbian in an 18th Century Novel - transcript
(Originally aired 2021/11/21 - listen here)
Classical Roman views of female homoeroticism, though more numerous than the Greek references, can be just as hard to evaluate due to a tendency to displace discussions of f/f sex onto past eras and foreign locations. We've encountered some of the same difficulty in trying to interpret how mythological data can shed light on real-life dynamics. We also run into the problem of scholars projecting their preconceptions about f/f relations onto the Classical data and reading-in interpretations that may not be present in the data.
Whoops, I had this post all set up to go on Monday and here it is Wednesday and I somehow forgot to add the intro and post. Time passes both in the blog and in the subject of the books. The exploration of evidence from Greek sources is about to give way to the Roman material. And we begin to see shifts in Greek attitudes, although there isn't a linear progression from the open nonchalance of the Archaic Greek material to the anxious scorn of the Roman material.
Lesbian Historic Motif Podcast - Episode 215 - On the Shelf for November 2021 - Transcript
(Originally aired 2021/11/06 - listen here)
Welcome to On the Shelf for November 2021.
I need to start with a small apology. My neighbor is doing construction work involving power tools and hammering, and it’s likely that some noise may occasionally leak through. Just in case you hear odd noises in the background.
After dithering for a while, I've decided to go forward with the podcast fiction series for a fifth year. The deciding factor (other than "five" being a nice number) was doing the proofreading of the remaining stories for this year and being reminded of the great work that people are entrusting to me to publish. For most of the stories we've included in the podcast, it's reasonable to say that they never would have existed except for having the Lesbian Historic Motif Podcast as a market.
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